Comments for Strong Reasons http://strongreasons.wordpress.com Addressing the "strong reasons" of Mormonism's critics so that their "shame shall be made manifest" (D&C 71:7-8). Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:01:16 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on On Splits with the Missionaries by James http://strongreasons.wordpress.com/2009/08/09/on-splits-with-the-missionaries/#comment-120 James Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:01:16 +0000 http://strongreasons.wordpress.com/?p=145#comment-120 Great job. I remember you doing the same thing a couple years ago at CARM! Great job. I remember you doing the same thing a couple years ago at CARM!

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]]> Comment on On Splits with the Missionaries by Timothy Berman http://strongreasons.wordpress.com/2009/08/09/on-splits-with-the-missionaries/#comment-117 Timothy Berman Wed, 30 Sep 2009 00:02:00 +0000 http://strongreasons.wordpress.com/?p=145#comment-117 I never thought of such an analogy, this is definitely one that is good, and done in a very non-threatening way. I never thought of such an analogy, this is definitely one that is good, and done in a very non-threatening way.

]]> Comment on On Splits with the Missionaries by Joseph http://strongreasons.wordpress.com/2009/08/09/on-splits-with-the-missionaries/#comment-115 Joseph Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:15:24 +0000 http://strongreasons.wordpress.com/?p=145#comment-115 What a great analogy! I hope that this man is open to the truth!!! What a great analogy! I hope that this man is open to the truth!!!

]]> Comment on The Book of Enoch and the Book of Moses by Guest Writer 800+ http://strongreasons.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/the-book-of-enoch-and-the-book-of-moses/#comment-111 Guest Writer 800+ Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:06:46 +0000 http://strongreasons.wordpress.com/?p=109#comment-111 I think it would be interesting to compare the 1821 "Book of Enoch" by Laurence rather than the later version you are using and see if the same parallels can be found. I think it would be interesting to compare the 1821 “Book of Enoch” by Laurence rather than the later version you are using and see if the same parallels can be found.

]]> Comment on The Lord Would Speak to Moses Face to Face by Teranno4x4 http://strongreasons.wordpress.com/2009/04/23/the-lord-would-speak-to-moses-face-to-face/#comment-109 Teranno4x4 Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:34:13 +0000 http://strongreasons.wordpress.com/?p=141#comment-109 Pops, What made you choose German as a language? Surely it would be better to learn Hebrew and Greek ? ----------- James - You made a great point! ----------- What is important is that Moses actually communicated with God directly. The 'face to face' part that so many people get hung up on what the terminology basically means, in that they communicated and spoke together orally and audibly as if two people were facing each other. The term 'face to face' means no more than that, otherwise the Bible would contradict itself when God Himself tells Moses that he could only look upon his 'back parts' otherwise Moses would not live. <i>Exodus 33: 20And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. 21And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: 22And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: 23And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen. </i> Remember that Moses wrote Exodus, so why would he contradict himself. Then will you question the voice of God's advice to Moses and otherwise suggest that Moses actually DID see the face of God and live? This most certainly would be dangerous theology and mean that it is you who is translating to fit your own ideas and manipulate human understanding by not relying on or believing God's Word. You mention the NIV and give an OT example. In your studies I would recommend that you take a KJV and a NIV Bible and then examine all the removed texts from the NIV or identify the texts that downplay the deity of Jesus (both inside and outside the Gospels). Some verses don't identify Him at all, but simply name Jesus as 'the one' or use some other generalistic vocabulary. This is not the case in the KJV where all verses are complete and Jesus is constantly correctly identified for us to make our accurate conclusions as to who and what is His nature and identity. What could be the reason for the NIV to be prepared in this way ... ? Pops,

What made you choose German as a language? Surely it would be better to learn Hebrew and Greek ?
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James – You made a great point!
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What is important is that Moses actually communicated with God directly. The ‘face to face’ part that so many people get hung up on what the terminology basically means, in that they communicated and spoke together orally and audibly as if two people were facing each other. The term ‘face to face’ means no more than that, otherwise the Bible would contradict itself when God Himself tells Moses that he could only look upon his ‘back parts’ otherwise Moses would not live.

Exodus 33:
20And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

21And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

22And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

23And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Remember that Moses wrote Exodus, so why would he contradict himself. Then will you question the voice of God’s advice to Moses and otherwise suggest that Moses actually DID see the face of God and live?

This most certainly would be dangerous theology and mean that it is you who is translating to fit your own ideas and manipulate human understanding by not relying on or believing God’s Word.

You mention the NIV and give an OT example.

In your studies I would recommend that you take a KJV and a NIV Bible and then examine all the removed texts from the NIV or identify the texts that downplay the deity of Jesus (both inside and outside the Gospels). Some verses don’t identify Him at all, but simply name Jesus as ‘the one’ or use some other generalistic vocabulary. This is not the case in the KJV where all verses are complete and Jesus is constantly correctly identified for us to make our accurate conclusions as to who and what is His nature and identity.

What could be the reason for the NIV to be prepared in this way … ?

]]> Comment on The Lord Would Speak to Moses Face to Face by Pops http://strongreasons.wordpress.com/2009/04/23/the-lord-would-speak-to-moses-face-to-face/#comment-108 Pops Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:58:52 +0000 http://strongreasons.wordpress.com/?p=141#comment-108 It seems to me that the newer a Bible translation is, the more errors it will contain. The preferred path ought to be back to older translations - maybe learn some German or Greek... It seems to me that the newer a Bible translation is, the more errors it will contain. The preferred path ought to be back to older translations – maybe learn some German or Greek…

]]> Comment on The Lord Would Speak to Moses Face to Face by CA http://strongreasons.wordpress.com/2009/04/23/the-lord-would-speak-to-moses-face-to-face/#comment-107 CA Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:15:30 +0000 http://strongreasons.wordpress.com/?p=141#comment-107 You wrote: "Why don’t the commentators just state that they reject the plain meaning of scripture out of preference for their creeds..." Along these same lines, I'm interested in knowing whether you think that God is all-good, or if He is at least partly evil? It appears that He claims to do evil as well: Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. You wrote: “Why don’t the commentators just state that they reject the plain meaning of scripture out of preference for their creeds…”

Along these same lines, I’m interested in knowing whether you think that God is all-good, or if He is at least partly evil?

It appears that He claims to do evil as well:

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

]]> Comment on The Lord Would Speak to Moses Face to Face by James http://strongreasons.wordpress.com/2009/04/23/the-lord-would-speak-to-moses-face-to-face/#comment-106 James Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:10:43 +0000 http://strongreasons.wordpress.com/?p=141#comment-106 Hi Howard. I disagree. The very fact that in this instance Moses would have perished had he seen God's face is evidence that God in fact has a face. If God had no face, there would be no need to shield Moses from it. Hi Howard. I disagree.

The very fact that in this instance Moses would have perished had he seen God’s face is evidence that God in fact has a face. If God had no face, there would be no need to shield Moses from it.

]]> Comment on The Lord Would Speak to Moses Face to Face by Howard http://strongreasons.wordpress.com/2009/04/23/the-lord-would-speak-to-moses-face-to-face/#comment-104 Howard Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:34:33 +0000 http://strongreasons.wordpress.com/?p=141#comment-104 Take your NIV or KJV and read later in the chapter (verse 18-23 )how the LORD allowed Moses to see Him. The LORD told him that he could not look on His face and live. So the LORD as he walked by, covered Moses face with His hand so that all Moses could see was the glory and the back side of God. It's an amazing and very detailed description of the encounter. Far more descriptive that the figure of speech (a Hebraism) "face to face." I hope this helps. Take your NIV or KJV and read later in the chapter (verse 18-23 )how the LORD allowed Moses to see Him. The LORD told him that he could not look on His face and live. So the LORD as he walked by, covered Moses face with His hand so that all Moses could see was the glory and the back side of God. It’s an amazing and very detailed description of the encounter. Far more descriptive that the figure of speech (a Hebraism) “face to face.” I hope this helps.

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